Hawking the poltical spinners.
Published on December 16, 2004 By hitparade In Politics
A buddy forwarded the following to me:

"Let me start out by saying that I don't want to simply piss people off......but I do have strong views on this topic.

When I was in the Fleet (regular navy) I was stationed aboard the USS Shiloh. At that time it was an all male crew. Things went smooth for the most part. Now when I was in the Teams....we bounced around to some ships that had a coed crew. It turned in to frickin Jerry Springer. Pregnancies, rapes, little silly high school games, you name it. It was aweful. The biggest problem I saw was not really the difference in the sexes, but the age. Do you expect theses 18 and 19 and 20 year olds to keep there hands off each other? It was a ridiculous situation. It is that mahem that must be avoided in the Teams. When you add femals to certain units......the drama comes with it. Just as much the guys fault as the girls....but the problem still exists.


Now specifically dealing with the Teams. I read in a book (maybe you can find info online) about a study that was done in 1991. This study took 7 extremely athletic women and sent them to Coronado to undergo a simulated Bud/s environment.
The women completed all the evolutions when the evolutions were introduced one by one. However, when the evolutions were placed one right after another like they do in Bud/s.....all the women develpoed problems. I don't remember the specifics, but most developed stress fractures in the pelvic region. The study determined that the skeletal structure of a female is simply different from that of a mans and doesn't hold up to the same stresses. Basically a woman's body is made for a different purpose. And the study recognized that the women used were highly trainined athletes. A regular women's chances would be even less.


Now I'm not a scientist.....all that may or may not be true, but I am a Frogman and I tell you this. One day at morning quaters, our addressed the issue of women being allowed in the Teams. Rumours have always losely circled around about women attending Bud/s. He said this, the day we have a female SEAL is the day I turn in my Trident. It is a fact that most Team Guys would do the same. At that point it would be better to move on and remember the Teams in a good way. Free from all the political correctness and DRAMA. Oh yeah, the drama seems to arrive when females join the command.

Example: Female admin lady decides to join us for PT. We always let our support people PT with us....to show that we are all one Team. She complains that people's "balls" were hangin out of there UDT shorts during PT. New policy: No UDT shorts authorized around the Team area. Are you kidding me!!!! NO UDT SHORTS IN A UDT COMPOUND?!?!?!

If I was stationed with the swedish bikini team, and some boobs popped out during PT, I sure as heck wouldn't complain!!!!

we all had to switch to black running shorts with liners in them so that our bubble gum wouldn't hang out. Are you starting to see the drama that comes along with females in the military? The Teams really are the last Boy's Club and we want to keep it that way.

All this might upset some people, but respect what the Teams are and don't try to make it something it's not. The Teams function very very well. If it ain't broken don't fix it!

Let the boys be boys.............................."

Comments
on Dec 16, 2004
I always thought it unfair that I was competing for promotion against someone 15 years younger than me that only had to do half as many push ups and could take an extra 3 minutes to do the 2 mile run.
on Dec 16, 2004
Great Article and nice sentiment.  But it aint going to happen (leaving them alone).  Political correctness will not tolerate it, nor with the pimple headed bureaucrats.
on Dec 16, 2004
Hoo-AH!!!

When I get into discussions about females in combat units I always point out the lessons learned in Desert Storm.

I have never found any of these statistics published anywhere, but as a radio operator at command level in an Army airborne unit, these are the kind of statistics that passed through my commo equipment, to the company grade staff officers and on to the Colonel's morning briefing.

The facts are:

Females made up around 11-13% of the U.S. presence in Desert Storm.

Females accounted for around 32% of the daily sick call.

In the average week, around 20 females were sent back to home station due to pregnancy.

Now, do females have just as much right to go on sick call as males? Of course they do, but apparently, even in a war where almost all females were in support units, they accounted for 3 times their numbers in need for sick call.

Anyone who has served in a forward or Special Ops type unit can tell you how cleanliness is next to impossible. One question I ask females who get into this topic with me is; Could you go for weeks without washing yourself, without ending up with health problems?

Until women are built differently than men, it should be a given that women and men should not be deployed the same. It's not discrimination, it is basic biology.
on Dec 16, 2004

Pregnancies, rapes, little silly high school games, you name it. It was aweful. The biggest problem I saw was not really the difference in the sexes, but the age. Do you expect theses 18 and 19 and 20 year olds to keep there hands off each other? It was a ridiculous situation. It is that mahem that must be avoided in the Teams. When you add femals to certain units......the drama comes with it. Just as much the guys fault as the girls


i guess it depends on who was doin the raping.


. One day at morning quaters, our addressed the issue of women being allowed in the Teams. Rumours have always losely circled around about women attending Bud/s. He said this, the day we have a female SEAL is the day I turn in my Trident. It is a fact that most Team Guys would do the same


the guy who seems to have originally posted this at navyseals.com uses the nick 'tadpole215' .  i hadda buncha other stuff to say but im laffin too hard bout poor lil tadpole and his grabbin their tridents and heading for the last all male bastions...the bathhouses of san francisco.  

on Dec 16, 2004
the last all male bastions...the bathhouses of san francisco.


So what would happen if the PC crowd decided that them bathhouses need to go coed!!